89 delta 88 excessive fuel consumption

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I have a 1989 delta 88 w/3800 engine. The engine appears to be flooding it has a rough idle, fuel odor, power loss and severe fuel consumption(8-10MPG). Other than these porblem the engine runs fine never stalls. I've replaced spark plugs, O2 sensors and air filter. When I attempted to pull the trouble codes there were no problems found. I'd suppose with GM's marketing success in this style and engine combination someone should have seen this problem before. Hopefully someone can help me!

Thanks in advance,
89 Delta 88 :confused:
 
I'm wondering if you are having any issues with the MAF or Mass Air Flow sensor....

But if there is a problem there it will usually result in a code 34...

You could be having one of several issues, from the cars computer to the ICM under the coil pack... Hard to say that the moment, and even harder that I can't look at it...

Also what brand of O2 did you use? we have had nightmares with Bosch O2's in GM cars...

But I'm still not certain of where your problems are...

The last ECM failure I had left the car useless untill I replaced it...

Have any more thoughts or info?
 
Thanks for your reply, my check engine light finally luminated and I was able to pull codes for the mass air flow sensor and CAM sensor circuit. I noticed in your reply that mentioned the mass air flow sensor, could this part soley be causing issues this severe?

Also, what is the purpose of the CAM sensor? Is this part also associated with the performance of the vehicle or does it belong to a separate system?

Again thanks in advance,
89 Delta 88
 
The cam position sensor along with the crank position sensor send signal to the ECM, this information is the signal as to the spark timing, advance and retard. The MAF sensor can give you the results you are seeing and onward to the point of no idle or no run. The information sent to the ECM from the MAF is required to send the proper amount of fuel into the cylinder to keep the optimal fuel/air ratio.

There is a known problem with the cam sensor magnet on the 3800 engines. This link is a good way to repair if the magnet is your problem with the cam sensor: http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/a/padgett46/cammag.htm

Let us know what you find.

Mark
 
Thanks for the reply,

I replaced the MAF and driveability has increased greatly. There are noticeable increase in acceleration and MPG's, but the engine has started to stall at idle speed now. The engine will run fine for a few minutes then dye. This unfortunately happens rather commonly (at most stop lights and drive thru's).

I've yet to replace the CAM sensor, it's on back order and should be here tommorow. Would this sensor create these new issues as well as have added to the old issues?

Again thanks in advance,
 
The previous response as to what the Cam Sensor does was wrong.

The cam sensor is what provides for the correct timing of the fuel injectors. The crank sensor controls spark timing. An engine will run (although not always very well) with a bad cam sensor. With a dead crank sensor, you will have no spark.

Often (more often than not, in fact), the cam sensor itself will be just fine. The problem, in that case, is that the magnet in the camshaft sprocket (which the sensor gets its reading from) has flown from it's home and is no longer doing it's job. That being the case, a new sensor won't do a thing for you. The better thing to do, would be to remove your old sensor and slowly turn over the engine, looking for the magnet as you do. Keep in mind that since the camshaft turns at .5 the speed of the crankshaft, you'll have to turn over the engine twice to see all of the crank sprocket.

As for the new idle problems, perhaps the computer just has to learn and adjust to the new unit? This could possibly be made worse by the somewhat random timing of the fuel injection.

And speaking of that, if the car seems to run worse than usual when you start it up, shut it back off, wait a minute, and restart it. Having no signal from the cam sensor, it has to make a guess as for how to time the injectors. Some guesses are better or worse, so it may run better after another try or two.

Good luck with it.
 
Thanks for the reply,

I replaced the MAF and driveability has increased greatly. There are noticeable increase in acceleration and MPG's, but the engine has started to stall at idle speed now. The engine will run fine for a few minutes then dye. This unfortunately happens rather commonly (at most stop lights and drive thru's).

I've yet to replace the CAM sensor, it's on back order and should be here tommorow. Would this sensor create these new issues as well as have added to the old issues?

Again thanks in advance,
Replace you ICM underneath your coil pack. I had the exact same issue after purchasing mine a few years ago.
 
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